ABOUT DEBORAH SCHUPACK

DEBORAH SCHUPACK is the author of two critically acclaimed novels, as well as numerous short stories and newspaper and magazine articles. She runs a copywriting firm, King Street Creative, and lives in the Lower Hudson Valley.
A CONVERSATION WITH DEBORAH SCHUPACK
Q. Sylvan Street has an entire neighborhood of protagonists. What challenges came with writing about so many central characters? Which characters were easiest to write, and which were the most difficult?
Once I came up with the idea for Sylvan Street and a neighborhood modeled on my own, households started to flourish in my head (although they are very different from my neighbors). My routine—and it was a pretty idyllic one, surely one I’ll never be able to duplicate—was to go on a midday bike ride around the hills and reservoirs of the Hudson Valley, and just let my mind write a scene. I often had a nugget in mind, and biking in the midst of my beloved scenery, the old rock walls, the neat idiosyncratic houses up here, was amazingly generative.
Many characters, and whole sets of characteristics, came to me pretty round and full. Sally, for instance. I heard her voice perfectly. I could listen closely to her and write a whole scene that way. Keith, too. His voice, his stance. I felt I could just write and write whenever Keith was around.
In the early part of the writing, I felt I knew a lot about Maggie and Billy’s relationship, but less about each character. In paying attention to developing them, I became more and more charmed by Billy. I fell not for his obvious charms but more for the humility and genuine talent I saw behind that pretty-boy exterior. He really grew on me. Shoshanna and Maggie were the most difficult to write—oddly, although maybe tellingly, because they are the ones closest to me, at least in terms of age and gender (though not, mercifully, circumstances).
The greatest challenge was to keep all the characters’ complexities and interactions within a tightly structured, lean story line. I ended up cutting some scenes that I’m really proud of but that slackened the plot. With the wonder of the internet, I’m able to “preserve” some of those scenes on my website and offer them to the reader in a different venue—adding to the reading experience, I hope, while not taking away from the shape and through line of the story.
Q. When you began writing the novel, did you have an idea of how the story would end, or how the characters would ultimately come to terms with what they’d done? Did you have an idea of what you wanted to say with the book, about morality and ethics, before you began writing it?
Oh, I have no idea even now what it says about morality and ethics. As a writer, I am firmly lodged within the world of the book, along with my characters. I rationalize or judge their decisions more as one of them would than as a reader might. Yes, I know intellectually that Daniel made a terrible choice to leave his wife for a married woman, not to mention a new mother. But that choice makes sense to me in the context of Daniel’s life. To the extent that I judge him wrathfully, it’s on Shoshanna’s behalf, and on behalf of his kids, rather than objectively. Same with Maggie. Because her transgression with April always felt inevitable to me, I cannot judge her—because I feel (and I feel she feels) that she couldn’t help it. Also, it seems to me the least of Maggie’s poor choices. As for Toomer and Nishal, I offer no statement about morality; I simply followed them up and down the street, and hoped they wouldn’t get caught!
One of the most fascinating aspects of publishing a novel is getting insight from readers into what you’ve written—hearing readers’ takes on the characters, their choices, their relationships, and broader notions like morality, themes and symbolism. But I think if you, as a writer, set out to say something about these things, you run the risk of being reductive or polemical. In any case, you surely lose an element of discovery that is key to good fiction.
As for the ending, I had a general sense that it would all come to no good. I knew I wanted the final scene on the street to look roughly like the prologue: a loose collection of folks at the bottom of the street with no particular agenda except to bear witness. By setting that scene—with its assorted secrets and lies, transgressions and progressions—against the prologue and its communal feeling of good will, I got a sense of what my characters’ journeys had been and what they had come to.
I did know—not from the beginning, but once I was, say, two-thirds done—that Nishal would prevail and might indeed be the (only) one launched into a better life. And I knew Toomer would have to be sacrificed; even he knew that.
Q. You live in the suburbs of New York City, but what made you set your story there? What motivated you, too, to have the tragedy of 9-11 play so prominently in the storylines of two of your characters?
I was in the middle of—okay, stuck in—another novel, which is set on an exotic island and is, in many ways, about foreign-ness. I think it made me homesick for where I was right then: I had just moved to this Hudson Valley cul-de-sac that I just loved, and I wanted to dwell in it.
I felt, and still do feel, very close to my neighbors—it’s an idyll on my little old-fashioned cul-de-sac. I was fascinated by this relationship that had just taken on such a central role in my daily life: that of neighbors. It’s such a particular balance of proximity and distance. It’s a tightrope, really. The closer you get, the more danger. And, actually, the more distant you drift, the more danger. In a relationship, in a marriage, you’re working in one direction (ideally speaking), toward intimacy. In a neighbor-relationship, you may get closer over time and circumstances, but you’re always striking a balance.
The 9/11 piece felt unavoidable to me; it is a definite before-and-after fault line—in America in general, I would think, but certainly in the New York area. Anyone who lives in or around New York can tell you exactly where they were that day.
I was very concerned with striking the right distance from 9/11—in terms of time, geography, the degree of adjacency or centrality to my characters’ lives. I was after not the bright, horrible glare of it, nor the pitch darkness of the immediate aftermath, but the oblique shadow that lasts and lasts. For Daniel and Keith, the day is certainly still with them, more in terms of longing than loss—a turnabout that I would never have predicted when I started to write about 9/11. In that severe clear, things were for once starkly defined, right and wrong, good and evil. For Daniel and Keith, their mission was, for a moment, clear. For Keith: be a cop, do your job, help. For Daniel: get the hell out, run, walk, survive.
Q. You’ve taught writing at the New School and Yale University. What’s the common bit of advice you give to beginning writers of prose fiction? What was the greatest or most useful piece of advice that you received when you began writing fiction?
The most frequent advice: be specific. Gabriel Garcia Marquez said, “If you say that there are elephants flying in the sky, people are not going to believe you. But if you say that there are four hundred and twenty-five elephants in the sky, people will probably believe you.” It’s amazing how much better any piece of fiction (and, for that matter, nonfiction) gets when the writer takes care to be specific.
I have a writer-teacher friend who says she’s lately told her classes that she’s looking for something fascinating in each piece. It might be an image, a character, a piece of dialogue, a plot development, even just a detail or a turn of phrase. But there must be that fascination factor.
So, be specific and be fascinating.
One helpful piece of advice I still recall from graduate school was from E.L. Doctorow (though he himself may have borrowed it): Writing fiction is like driving at night with your headlights on. You can see only a limited distance ahead, but you can make the whole trip that way.
Q. What are you working on now?
I’m working on another novel, tentatively titled Penny: A Life, but I hesitate to say any more than that. It seems to be changing by the minute, so I don’t want to commit to anything! I’ve found this in previous novels (both finished and un-)—by describing them before they’re fully formed means I’ve made a commitment to the outside world that is in danger of falling apart within the novel itself. So, I don’t think I can commit to anything before the novel itself has committed to what it wants to be.
I liken writing a novel to trying to make a vessel out of clay at the same time you’re trying to fill the vessel with liquid. I feel like I’m in that stage right now—and if I commit to anything too soon, form, content, character, it could all fall apart on the wheel.
I did mention the title. A title seems a finished thing unto itself, and for some reason I feel I can bandy that about with impunity, even while the novel may or may not become what it is today. So, Penny: A Life. Who knows what it will be?